What do I say?

Here’s the situation: I am a member of a writers group. The goal for each member is to publish one day; some already have and some (like me) don’t have finished manuscripts yet. Since this is a “professional” group, I would say we are colleagues more than buddies, friendly more than friends.

This is my second group, having recently fired my first. And I have had an epiphany. They say people look like their dogs, but I’m thinking writers look like their writings. One member, let’s call her Liz, has published fourteen romance and intrigue novels. You would like the way she looks. She is “girly” with perfect curls and a voluptuous body and long dangly earrings. A romance heroine, right? But I digress.

Liz has an adult daughter with cancer. Bad cancer of the here, there and everywhere kind. She’s a very sick woman, half a continent away from her mom; there are understandable circumstances that keep them apart, at least in terms of mileage. I don’t know the daughter, but the mother is going through agony.

Here’s the question: What do I say? We have all faced harrowing circumstances, or some day will. Very few, I am sure, rival the threat to a daughter or son. I think about things said to me when I have felt on the brink, and I realize silence has often mattered the most. “God has a plan,” has never worked for me. But I know that is not true for many.

So, when you have had a co-worker, a colleague, a person you admire in a situation like this, what have you said? Or more important, what has been said to you that has helped, made a difference, soothed?

I will share your comments with Liz. Thanks, my dears, from the top, sides and bottom of my heart (a new phrase I have learned from my friend CB).

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  1. Comment by Anonymous | 08/25/08 at 4:20 pm

    Sorry, is there anything I can do to help?

  2. Comment by Trina | 08/25/08 at 4:27 pm

    Take her some food. I know from recent events in my life that not having to think about cooking or what to eat really helped just to be able to pull something out of the fridge or freezer and heat it up. Or just give her a hug. I am assuming that she is local. I am not much for God has a plan because not everyone feels that way and when you are hurting and you don’t think that way, that is the worst thing you could say to someone. If she isn’t local, just tell her you are so sorry she is going through all of this and if she needs to talk or cry or whatever you will be available to her. Assuming that is something you are willing to do.

  3. Comment by Gina | 08/25/08 at 5:21 pm

    Just let her know you are there for her if she needs anything. Send her a card now and then just to know your thinking of her – sometimes a little thing like that will make her day. If you can think of something to do for her, like bringing food, or taking her out for coffee, just so she can have a night away from her worries, just do it.

    It’s hard for people to ask for help, even when others ask what they can do. When mr b had his accident, I had a lot of people say what can I do, but I never had an answer, but the friends who called or just showed up with food, or movies, or to help clean my house or watch my kids were lifesavers. So tell her you’d like to take her out for coffee/bring her a meal/go for a pedicure/whatever, and ask her when she is available.

  4. Comment by Keith | 08/25/08 at 6:33 pm

    Having been in a similar situation I can tell you what helped me. People just letting me know that they were there for me. Statements like, “Let me know if you need anything” are helpful. The food is a good idea, as is the going together to do something.

    Sometimes a few minutes or a few hours of not thinking about the present situation are the best gift.

    Above all, never say “I know how you feel” or anything similar, because we don’t.

    However, knowing you Linda, you’ll say exactly the perfect thing, and you’ll do exactly what’s needed.

  5. Comment by Lucy’s Mom | 08/25/08 at 7:30 pm

    Gina has it exactly right. Follow her advice.

    I’ve had a lot of loss in my life and “I know how you feel” sucks. You don’t, unless you’ve also lost a child. However, “I’m here for you”, “I love you”, “I care” and just doing what needs to be done is wonderful. Don’t ask me. I can’t think straight. Just do it.

    Food is good. Cooking when you’re grieving seems impossible. Holding someone while they cry is good. Sometimes solitary crying is a bitch. You don’t have to say anything, just hold her and let her cry if the situation presents itself and feels right. Even quietly and sympathetically holding a hand while someone cries is good. Sometimes you feel so alone in the midst of this horrible tragedy. We are not supposed to bury our children. You seem a fairly wise and intuitive woman. Do what feels right and it probably will be.

    I have no idea of the overall circumstances but if it is humanly possible, she should go to her daughter. If she can go and she doesn’t, she’ll be sorry. Help her go if she can. Everything else in her life can wait. This can’t.

  6. Comment by Diane | 08/26/08 at 3:53 am

    Lucy’s mom is so right….there is nothing more important than being with her daughter….I’ve been there….my daughter survived cancer with the help of an auto stem cell transplant….but twice in 2 years we thought we were going to lose her….if it’s an economic problem why not let your readers help….if it’s an emotional problem please tell her it is so worth trying to work it out….my prayers are with her.

  7. Comment by sciencegeek | 08/26/08 at 4:21 am

    Ask her, “How are you doing?”
    then listen.

  8. Comment by Jenn | 08/26/08 at 5:35 am

    Give her a hug and just be there for her. Make sure she knows she can call at anytime. Check up on her periodically because stoics don’t voluntarily ask for help or a shoulder even when they desperately need them. Feed her, love her and just let her know that the wagons are circled and she’s supported. That’s about all you really can do and while it never feels like you’re doing enough, later on down the line, you’ll learn that it was exactly what she needed. Big hug to you.-J

  9. Comment by stephanie parnell | 08/26/08 at 6:36 am

    I often go the route of not saying anything in the way of cliche encouraging remarks and just assure the person that no matter what when or where, if they need to cry, vent, be angry, or just sit silently for the purpose of not feeling lonely…that they can call me. She will make it through. Although the hurt will take years to heal, she will still find the strength to carry on and continue to live her life because that is how we were designed. That doesn’t make it any easier…but it helps knowing that she wasn’t the first and will not be the last to go through the death of a child, and also the death of a loved one from cancer. Hugs are good, “thinking of you” emails and cards mean a lot, etc.

  10. Comment by lora | 08/26/08 at 9:43 am

    I find it best to just go ahead and do something for the person. The whole “let me know what I can do” thing is nice, but personally I would never ask anyone to do anything for me.

    Maybe do some yard work, pick up a few grocery staples, buy her a giant roll of stamps so she doesn’t have to worry about going to the post office, take her to do something quiet yet diverting so you two can either talk or stay silent, leave a big of books or magazines by the front door. Because you aren’t the best of friends something simple or even anonymous may be more comfortable for the both of you. I think it is those little things that really make a difference in the long run.

  11. Comment by Sonia (formerly ddm) | 08/26/08 at 10:07 am

    I had two miscarriages last year, and the best thing anyone said to me was “I’m so sorry”, followed by a big, warm hug. I DO believe that everything happens for a reason, but if anyone said that to me, it really pissed me off.

  12. Comment by Steve | 08/26/08 at 5:53 pm

    I think everyone here is absolutely right. Every situation at any given time is different, of course, but in similar situations I have said something to the effect of “Having never been in that situation I can only imagine what it must be like. I wish you the best and if there is anything I can do to help, please let me know.” I just make sure I’m willing to do “anything to help” or I leave that part out. When my Dad died, the only comment that has really stuck with me and helped was “no one knows how it feels unless they’ve been there and I have” and then wished me well. It made me believe that someone DID understand what I was feeling. Of course, one has to have been there. I’m sure this isn’t much help but I know you and I know you will do just fine.

  13. Comment by Jaime | 08/27/08 at 9:39 am

    I recently had a miscarriage and all the platitudes like ‘I hear it’s very common’ or ‘my friends mother had a miscarriage fifty years ago’ were understandable but really less than helpful.

    The best reaction came from a colleague at work who said, ‘I’m so sad for you and I don’t know what to say so I bought you flowers.’

  14. Comment by willikat | 08/28/08 at 8:21 pm

    When my dad was sick with lung cancer, the following mattered most: people asking how he was doing at appropriate moments (i.e. not in the middle of a giant group of people, like taking a needle off the record at a party)–and not just asking the day of the surgery. Most people forget two weeks after, two months after. People who still ask me, two years later…they are the ones that really think of it. Cards or emails–esp. at well timed moments (like the lunch hour, where work falls away and your thoughts invade) are really awesome.
    I am not religious, but I did believe that positive thoughts, prayers–people putting energy out in the universe–helped.Just someone simply saying, I wish your dad well, worked for me.
    Food. Don’t ask me what I like or what I want. I’m too fucked up to even remember. But if I could pull out something from the freezer or fridge and plop it in the microwave, awesome. Anything that feels like daily drudge — and I dont’ know how well you know this woman– but even helping straighten the house, grocery shopping, running various errands, even just once. And don’t ask. Just say, “I thought I’d stop by and bring you X. Is 5:30 ok?”
    I NEVER wanted to ask for help while this was all going on. So people who “imposed”–I was so grateful to them. And the people who forgave me for being a total flake during that time–that helped, too.
    Lunch, coffee, flowers, shoe shopping. Small things to take up time, offer to listen, or just to distract.
    You’re awfully witty, so I imagine you are tons of fun company.
    (And of course, a hug and genuine eye contact, saying, “I’m so sorry.” )

  15. Comment by Julie | 08/30/08 at 6:50 pm

    The thing is, if you don’t really know this woman as a “friend”, then it is somewhat challenging to find the right thing to say… I totally feel your pain. Saying nothing, not so good. At least for me, I just kept thinking i should’ve said something. But then I didn’t want to intrude. So it’s a fine line when the person is not someone you have a personal realtionship with. I agree with Sciencegeek – by simply asking “how are you doing?” she’ll know to what you refer and she can be the one to decide in her response how open she might be to support in a more personal way. Good luck. I’m sure you will find the right thing to say, it’s just the act of starting that conversation which is the hardest.

  16. Comment by “Liz” | 09/01/08 at 10:51 am

    Thank you everyone for the thoughtful replies to Linda’s question on my behalf. And thank you, Linda, for posting the question and thinking of me and my daughter as we try to deal with this hell that’s invaded our family. Linda hasn’t known me the whole time we’ve been dealing with my daughter’s advanced cervical cancer, but she is a welcome addition to my life and I already consider her a friend, even though we are at the beginning stages of our friendship. I am hoping it will be a long and enduring friendship.
    I can only speak for me and my experience of what works best in my situation. For me, knowing I’m not alone as I face this awful fear has given me the heart to keep going. So, comments like: “I’m sorry.” and hugs and offers of prayers or healing lights or well wishes are all welcome indeed. Food? No one’s done that. Not sure that’s a good idea at this point as we eat out a lot and it might be wasted. But the thought of it is so generous. As were all of the suggestions that have been submitted. I believe any words of concern that are from the heart are welcomed.

    “Liz”

  17. Comment by Mrs. Who | 09/10/08 at 12:14 pm

    I think everyone has covered whatever advice I may have given, I just wanted to let you know I just now rediscovered your blog. I thought you had not been writing all this time and mentioned that to my daughter who informed me that you have, indeed, been writing!! I just had you in my Reader at the old address. Anyway, got you now. Hi!

  18. Comment by willikat | 09/11/08 at 8:03 pm

    I wish you’d blog more. That is all.

  19. Kim
    Comment by Kim | 09/12/08 at 4:23 am

    I have to agree with willikat; there are so many sub-par writers out there who blog every day, but someone with your intelligence, wit and humor are so rare to come across – I usually wait a few weeks and hope when I come back there is something new to read and I’m always excited when there are a few things to read!

  20. Comment by stephanie parnell | 09/12/08 at 5:24 am

    I miss your writing. Finish that book so we can continue to occupy our time with Aunt Linda! :)

  21. Rob
    Comment by Rob | 09/17/08 at 10:31 am

    I’ll share some perspective from the other side, that of the patient and a 19 year cancer survivor. When I was diagnosed with diffuse histiocytic lymphoma, clinical stage IV, the 5 year survival rate for 19 year old male was 35%.

    Simply be there, in every physical sense of the words. Listen, laugh, cry, hope, pray, share, persevere and sometimes even be silent. Provide an “anchor point” for her in what is a terrifying and out of control situation where there are very few definite answers and almost no guaranteed outcomes. But most of all just be you! Normalcy and everyday things are most appreciated by those trying to deal with the life changing diagnosis of Cancer.

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